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Pinyin initial: "nü"

/ny/

The Pinyin initial "nü" is used in the first half of Pinyin syllables. In MandarinBanana's mnemonic system, "nü" belongs to the group of Pinyin initials which are represented in mnemonics by deities. You can visit the Pinyin index to see all Pinyin syllables from this mnemonic group, or to see all Pinyin syllables "nü" can appear in.

Pronunciation Tips

The “Cheat Code”

Say “nee” (like knee), but round your lips like you’re saying “oo” at the same time: n + “ü”.


Mouth Mechanics (step-by-step)

  1. Start with an English “n”:
    • Put the tip of your tongue gently against the bumpy ridge right behind your upper front teeth.
    • Let air flow through your nose (you should feel a little vibration in your nose).
  2. Keep the tongue in the “ee” position (like in see):
    • The front of your tongue stays high and forward, close to the roof of your mouth (but not touching).
    • Think: the inside of your mouth is shaped like you’re about to say “ee.”
  3. Now add rounded lips (the key step):
    • Without moving your tongue away from the “ee” position, round your lips as if you’re going to say “oo” (like food).
    • The lips become small and rounded, but the tongue stays high and forward.
  4. Release smoothly into the vowel:
    • The “n” should connect directly into the ü-like sound with no extra vowel in between.
    • Result: = nasal n + tight, front vowel with rounded lips.

English Approximation

English does not have the exact vowel in (the ü sound), but you can build it reliably:

  • “knee” (nee) → use the “ee” tongue shape
    • Match: the tongue position of the vowel in knee.
  • “food” (oo) → borrow the lip rounding
    • Match: the rounded lips from food (but do not move your tongue back like “oo” does).
  • How to modify an English sound to get close:
    1) Say “ee” (as in see).
    2) Freeze your tongue exactly there.
    3) While holding that tongue shape, round your lips like “oo.”
    4) Add n in front → n + (ee-with-rounded-lips) = .

If you do it correctly, it will feel like “ee” in the mouth, “oo” at the lips.


Common Mistakes (English speakers)

  • Mistake: saying “new” / “noo” (like English new).
    • Problem: English new usually slides toward a back “oo” or adds a y-like glide, which pulls the tongue backward.
    • Fix: keep the tongue forward like “ee.”
  • Mistake: saying “nee-oo” (two vowels).
    • Problem: inserting an extra vowel breaks the syllable.
    • Fix: make it one smooth vowel: , not ni + u.
  • Mistake: replacing ü with plain “oo”.
    • Problem: “oo” is back; ü is front (but rounded).
    • Fix: front tongue + rounded lips.

Practice Pairs (visualizing the sound)

Pinyin (target) English “helper” word What to copy from the English word What to change to reach the Pinyin sound
(as in nü4, nü3) knee the n and the forward “ee” tongue keep the tongue like “ee,” but round lips like “oo”
new the idea of n + rounded vowel don’t use the English “oo” tongue; keep the tongue forward (like “ee”)
nüe (as in nüe4) nyeh (as in “nyeh!”) n + ‘ye’ feeling add lip rounding throughout (ü), then go into -e smoothly

These English words are only “helpers.” The real target is the lip-rounding + forward tongue combination.


Comparisons & Caveats (similar Pinyin sounds)

  • nü vs. nu
    • nu uses u (like a back “oo” vowel): tongue is pulled back, lips rounded.
    • uses ü: tongue stays forward and high (like “ee”), but lips are rounded.
    • If your tongue moves back, you’re drifting toward nu, not .
  • nü vs. ni
    • ni has the forward “ee” feel with spread/neutral lips (not rounded).
    • keeps that forward tongue, but adds rounded lips.
    • If your lips are not rounded, it will sound too much like ni.
  • nü vs. lü (same vowel, different consonant)
    • The vowel (ü) is essentially the same; only the start changes: n is nasal, l is not.
    • For , make sure the sound resonates through the nose at the start (a true n).
  • nüe vs. nue
    • nüe begins with ü (front + rounded) and moves into e (as shown by the provided syllable type).
    • nue begins with u (back) and then e.
    • The difference is again the vowel quality: front-rounded (ü) versus back-rounded (u).

The single most important checkpoint: If you can say “ee” while your lips look like “oo,” you are in the right neighborhood for nü.

Pinyin with nü

Mnemonics for nü

Nü is for Neptune.

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Characters with nü

female / woman / daughter
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to bleed from the nose (or from the ears, gums etc) / fig. to be defeated
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old variant of 衄[nü4]
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cakes of rice-flour and honey
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